Once upon a time...People used to think that a design career wasn't really a good option to pick among several engineering or economic sciences...
Now it's completely different.
Why should people pay for "design"? To make it short... we're not here to change the world. We're here to make things look beautiful.
Let's say for example, if I charge $400 for a logo or $800 to build a standard website, or $250 for a single icon... do you think a client would pick me for my pricing if they have another one charging them less than $500 for the whole package?
I've seen people selling themselves for $20 to do a logo. $200 to do a website. What kind of attitude is that?
Have you seen those cheap "comic sans" logos? Or those default-layer-styled signs? They are invading slowly the market lately, and the current crisis around the globe is not helping at all, since all the people that needs "professional" graphic work is now looking for the cheapest options available.
Speculative work aka "send me some drafts"What about the people that request several "sketches" or "drafts" to see if you are "good enough" to be hired by them? What about logo contests? Many times they just take the best concepts (if there is any) and hire a designer (usually a junior) to just re-draw the idea.
In other exceptional cases, people end paying a "standard" price for a logo. Well... Why take so long deciding among drafts to end up paying the standard rates when you can pay the standard price and get a great logo in a more professional way.
The approach these people are pursuing is one that seriously compromises the quality of work they are entitled to and also violates a tacit, long-standing ethical standard in the communication design profession worldwide.
Capable and professional designers do not work for free, and requesting work for free demonstrates a lack of understanding and respect. There is an appropriate way to explore the work of various designers, and requesting drafts or opening contests to see if "there is an option we like" is just plain un-ethical.
Just my two cents on this matter. Thanks to AIGA for the references!
So... what are your thoughts on this matter? I'm open minded right now. i saw an UFO, so I'm ready for anything coming up. lol.
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I have read your whole topic but one thing i couldn't get.
1' is that the price for Designer in europe
2' what will they do with 20$
3' are their mad designers in Europe or America website
I just do not like these clients and these designers
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hire a exprsd man for market
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I think you need to make the distinction between production artist and designers.
Although we are in the business of "making things look pretty" I think that is low level design. Design with an uppercase 'D" follows designers as world changers/thinkers and motivators. I'm finishing up my MFA in design right now and can clearly see the difference from designers who just want to make pretty things and designers that want to affect change. Places like World Studio ([link]) and their Design Ignites Change program or firms like IDEO who look at design as a place for thinking and changing policies are a good place to start. These people can navigate any Adobe program like it was second nature but would rather try to change hearts and minds.
Granted there is a place in the world for people to just do straight design. But I think that Design Thinking is where our field needs to move.
Unfortunately, I don't have all of the abilities of an exceptional designer. I can get ideas when the time is right and I can put them into practice, but if I don't have a very clear guide on what I am to do, then I get lost very easily. I'm not all that creative either, unless I see the work of someone else and get inspiration from it. I also often have a bit of trouble clearly visualising what I want too which can make it difficult. I see all these other incredible designers and want to be able to learn through what they've done, but for me it is so hard to mould the technique into my own style and really make it my own, if that makes sense.
I guess to put it simply, I'm probably one of the '
Mmm. Thats just what I'm struggling with right now
like in every field there'll be someone willing to do it cheaper than you and if there's noone than you're damn doing it free, or actually giving some bucks to the client haha
Once in the begginings a client contacted me to do a logo (actually on my gallery) "MyDrinkPal" and charged like $70 for it, when we finish the work he told me i was charging way less for what i should charge, the previous "logo" was a shit, and they charged $500 for that "logo", something he told me it was when they saw the guy was charging $500 they tought! "that guy really knows how to do it", but it didn't mean exactly that.
the lesson is charge what you think your time and work is worth and keep getting updated, the more time you work in this, the more your skills are, the more experience you have; the more you can charge.
Have some more stuff to bug you about actually! Personal shit this time
OR CAN YOU.
I'll be contacting you soon enough